Tuesday, June 30, 2009

Absolutist Propertarianism Dissolves All Rights

In a strict propertarian view, all rights are property rights (and likely to be treated as commodities-in-themselves). In my view, property rights are an extension of (and inherently constrained by) a more general right of personal sovereignty. A claimed property right that isn't consistent with respect for personal sovereignty in the first place is inherently null and void from my perspective. For a basic example, I don't think that someone loses their right to life and liberty as soon as they enter someone else's property - owning property does not grant one the legitimate power to murder and enslave people just because they are on your property. In this sense, the decision-making power granted by a property right is inherently not absolute.

If we do take the view that property rights are axoimatic absolutes, I think that this practically reduces all rights claims to meaninglessness because the absolute authority of a property owner can override anyone else's rights, leading to absurd scenarios in which aggression is actually being justified. It seems to me that property (including property as expressed in the concept of self-ownership, which I think is a propertarian misconceptualization of the right of liberty or personal sovereignty) is clearly not axoimatic or absolute in this way - it is constrained by respect for equal personal liberty in the first place, rather than being the foundation for the concept of liberty.

The fundamental clash here is between a conception of libertarianism in which the concept of liberty is thought of as being derived from property and a conception of libertarianism in which the concept of "legitimate" property is derived from the concept of equal liberty. The former conception tends to lead to "absolutist propertarianism", which is to say the notion that a particular conception of "property rights" is the foundation for everything else (even taken to the point of treating people as something to have exchangable property titles over) and the tendency to support absolute authority over other people based on territorial claims.

This is by no means a strictly left-libertarian vs. right-libertarian issue, since various aristotilean notions of libertarianism tend towards the latter view. Furthermore, there is an extent to which it is a matter of degree. While I do not strictly adhere to it (for example, I don't think that the NAP is an axoim and I don't use "self-ownership" as a starting point), I must admit that I find the Rothbardian conception of libertarianism much more sound than the Blockean conception. What it boils down to is that the Rothbardian conception is in some sense "thicker". Block adopts a sort of "libertarian legalism" that I think clashes with Rothard's notion of libertarianism.

While Walter Block talks about "voluntary slavery", Rothbard would have rejected any slavery contract as inherently being null and void due to inalienability. However, I think that both Rothbard and Block are mistaken to the extent that they treat all rights as property rights, only Rothbard shied away from some of the conclusions from this that Block would endorse (I.E. "voluntary slavery" in particular). What I'd like to point out, however, is that the whole "voluntary slavery" notion logically follows from the error of treating property as the starting point in the first place. In this sense, Block is more consistent than Rothbard, but he is consistently wrong, whereas Rothbard is correct to not endorse such conclusions but it remains a fact that those incorrect conclusions should follow from his view that all rights are property rights.

I see the issue of "voluntary slavery" only arising if one treats the concept of self-ownership as an exchangable property title, while I think that personal sovereignty is immutable and does not function exactly like a property title. I don't think it makes practical sense to concieve of rights as commodities in themselves; on the contrary, it seems to me that the function of rights would partially be as a pretext for having a freed market in anything to begin with. The opposite notion of an open-ended "free market in rights" being the pretext for rights seems to erode any consistency in the application of individual rights concepts and simply legitimizes whatever the whims of a territorial owner happens to be. In my understanding, individual rights need to be respected in order for the market to be free to begin with.

3 comments:

Kregus said...

Dear Brainpolice, do you think that atteritorial DRO's would be necessarily less authoritarian? I don't think so. This is very naive. It's possible that law and coercion would be atteritorial and decentralized (PANARCHISM), without a territorial dominion, but what does it mean? We will still have archons a.k.a. DRO's, but we will be able to choose archon without being forced to move from our current locale. And one more question: why do you think that peaple should apply your conception of law and justice? Remember, geoanarchists support taxes (!), some peaple think that sodomy is a crime... How are you gone stop them without being monocentric in your own "true libertarian anarchist" way?

Peaple think differently and have different definitions of buzzwords such as "authoritarian", "hierarchical"...

Think about it one more time. You can have your own preference for law and try to popularize it, but don't expect that all peaple would do that you say. Realize the subjectivity of ideas and conceptions.

Why "Anarchism" Is Bullshit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AdSllQPEmA&feature=channel_page

P.S. I'm not nihilist, but I supoort basic ideas of Max Stirner and Friedrich Nietzsche.

Brainpolice said...

Kregus, I don't advocate a DRO model for market anarchis, so you're simply not addressing my position. Furthermore, Molyneux's DRO model is actually territorial. Nor have I ever made the assumption that "private" versions of law enforcement are inherently less authoritarian.

I'd appriciate not being showered with youtube videos from the cynical and condescending logical positivist known as D4Shawn (who makes endless misrepresentations of other people's positions, and arguments revolving around linguistics that have nothing to do with what people are disputing) that I've already seen.

Max Stirner and Frederich Neitzsche, while similar in some obvious respects, did not have the same philosophy. No offense, but I believe that you are a relative newb to them and have taken them and ran with them without fully comprehending their ideas yourself.

Kregus said...

"Max Stirner and Frederich Neitzsche, while similar in some obvious respects, did not have the same philosophy."

I know this very good. I personally don't believe in some parts of Neitzsche's philosophy, because it's contradictory to the Stirners position.

"I'd appriciate not being showered with youtube videos from the cynical and condescending logical positivist known as D4Shawn"

Ok, but he has a good thoughts, I think.

"I don't advocate a DRO model for market anarchis, so you're simply not addressing my position."

But did you think that atteritorial DRO's are archons, or not? Rothbard and Tucker fully supported idea of DRO's (in their own way). I'm talking about so called traditional "market anarchist" model.

"Furthermore, Molyneux's DRO model is actually territorial."

So what? I'm talking about atteritorial model, who is different form the state as you define it.

Here you claim that decentralisation to the individual is absolute anarchy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU3MiABxnIQ&feature=channel_page

Logically, everything else (third party arbitration) is archism. If you think that atteritorial libertarian DRO's are legitimate form of policentric order, then how you can support "anarchism" if it is not full anarchism by your own definition?

Or maybe third party arbitration is not an anarchism? Draw the logical conclusion.

You define "anarchy" in this video as: "...lack of the monopoly on the provision of any type of service." and "...lack of the monopoly on the provision of law, dispute resolution and security."

Anarchy Already Exists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWQ7sEEJqk0&feature=channel_page

You confusing me with this weird contradiction. I personally don't believe that functional and civilized society is possible (now) without third party arbitration (atteritorial DRO's, states...).